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Secret Wars - CHAPTER ELEVEN - Part Seven

Journal Entry: Wed Aug 3, 2011, 12:02 PM
Nothing new! DA have changed the maximum limit for journals and reduced it so that the pages didn't fit properly anymore, so I've had to add an extra journal to fit everything in!

Previous journal: kostmeyer.deviantart.com/journ…

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To be concluded!

  • Listening to: The voices in my head
  • Reading: Biography of Howard Carter
  • Watching: News
  • Playing: Guitar!
  • Eating: Veggie curry
  • Drinking: Vast quantities of black coffee (always)
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NamelessManic Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011
So the heroes have won, but what does vigil do with the beyonder now?
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Kostmeyer Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011
Good question! You'll have to wait and see for a little while longer now (thank you AFL!) but it'll be worth the wait!
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NamelessManic Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2011
AFL will be a good distraction for a while. But I'll be waiting. Good luck by the way.
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't know if this actually makes a difference or not, but I did a little bit of counting, a little bit of maths, and I've tallied up the results of the war and come up with the winners and losers.

99 characters were in the Secret Wars. 54 heroes and 45 villains.

I've counted 32 victories for the heroes and 4 victories for the villains.

9 heroes have lost the war while 25 villains have lost.

But there's more than that:

13 heroes have unaccounted for and cannot be definitively counted as winners or losers and 16 on the villain's side.

I went even further and counted the number of fatalities:

35 heroes have survived the war, 11 died, and 10 are unaccounted for.

21 villains have survived the war, 7 died, and 16 are unaccounted for.

Now these numbers are debatable, of course. Some villains have crossed over and "victory" can sometimes be subjective, but this is what I've come up with.
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shashaveli Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
Define victory then :)

Shash lost since his objective was survival of the troops he commanded, and the vast majority of them got zombified.
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I've defined "victory" pretty loosely. If a character managed to survive or avoid being defeated, that was a big plus, but what trumps that is the goal or objective that the character set for themselves.
For instance, Watchamacallit died in the end, which would normally count as a loss, but since his dream was to finally be acknowledged as a hero by his peers, I counted it as a victory because everyone saw Wat heroically sacrifice himself to stop Zerkov.

Now Shash survived the war and is responsible for defeating the two other enemy armies, so I counted that as a win. But I suppose if Shash's goal was to protect at least the majority of his troops, then I guess it wasn't a victory for him.
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shashaveli Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
It pretty much meets his defeat criteria, upon which he'd just leave by blowing his head off. Nothing left for him on this planet.
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He'd probably still get to go home, at least.
Just guessing.
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Kostmeyer Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2011
Took me a while to get my head around this one - hence the delay in replying! What do you mean in the fourth paragraph where you talk about losses? Do you mean individual fights?

Very interesting stats! It must have taken you ages to put this together! Interesting that so many villains are unaccounted for isn't it - that's what made the difference in the end I think.
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When I talk about losers I mean characters that either lost their final battle or failed their self-appointed goal. For instance, I counted Plague as a loss even though he killed the most heroes because he failed in his ultimate goal to evolve to a higher plane of existence. I counted Watchamacallit as a win even though he died because he succeeded in his ultimate goal of being seen as a real hero for once.

This is why I counted deaths in a separate category because surviving isn't necessarily an indication of victory.
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Kostmeyer Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011
Got it! That's really interesting - appreciate the time it must have taken to gather the stats!
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
All I really had to do was go down your Character Reference List. I'd been keeping up with the story. Read it from the beginning. So I remembered what happened to everyone.

After that, it was a simple matter of maths.
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Calvin228 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2011
So technically the villains had lost this fight by number?
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Unless if you want to count how many died on each side. More heroes died than villains. Then again, there may be some other form of criteria that the Beyonder judges this war that I haven't thought of.

All I can do is consider the data in front of me and speculate.
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Speedslide Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011
If I'm the Continuity Nod Encyclopedia in the DASW, then you Bug, are definitely the Statics Master! :w00t:
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And only two of those four victories can really be attributed to the villain's side.

Two of those victories go to The Ritualist and Mad Alyss. Both of which where turncoats.
The other two victories go to The Jester and Negative Man a.k.a. "Neophyte". They are the only two villains to claim any sort of undisputed victory.

There were some characters I wanted to count as dead, like Golightly, Plaid Wonder, and Shock Boy because they went missing at points when big disasters struck, but without confirmation, I couldn't include them. I counted characters like Slaughter Gray, Blitz, Shaktu, and President X as alive, even though we don't know what happened to them in the final chapter because at least we know they made it that far and can't be linked to any specific disaster.

Then there are some more debatable results.
I counted Watchamacallit a victory even though he died because his goal was to save the other heroes from Zerkov. I claimed Zerkov as a lose because while he managed to kill a lot of heroes he was stopped from his ultimate goal to kill everyone... AND he died. I placed Raggedy Annie and Jigsaw Jill's victory status as undetermined, but claimed "survivor" for Jill and "casualty" for Annie. I came to this conclusion not from the SW pages, but from AFL4 where we find a post Secret Wars Jill with her new symbiotic sword under employment to a new boss and a mysteriously missing Annie. In this situation I read between the lines that Jill and Annie likely had a "falling out" at the end of the Secret Wars that only Jill walked away from.
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Speedslide Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011
Not to mention that Jester I spent quite a lot of time as Ben Taylor with the heroes, while Jester II pretty much just acted as a decoy, which lead to him being captured by the Steerobot. Does that count as win for both Jester's collectively?

Actually, last time Plaid Wonder and Shockboy were seen, they were peacefully floating away from the battles in a lifeboat on the streams. I think they're just deserters by now. Shaktu got defeated by Yenna and then put away by Dr. Destiny along with Psycho.

Ah yes, my fault there for having Virtus break Jill's sword. Ironically, it was to fix continuity problems that I introduced the symbiotes in the first place, and :iconmarkdobson: used the same thing to explain how Jill's sword broke. A bit sad that we never got to see Jigsaw Jill try to take her vengeance on Virtus, right? XD
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Ben Taylor" was a fake identity, so I didn't count him as a hero. "Jester II" was just a minion, so I didn't count him as a villain. There was only one true Jester and he pulled off his scheme without a hitch. One victory for the villains.

Plaid Wonder and Shockboy both made it back to the hero's camp. They didn't desert anything as far as I can tell. But then Shockboy fought Limi during the hero prison break and got punched off the map. Later Plaid Wonder wondered off looking for her friend and wasn't seen again. This happened just before Slaughter Gray gained control of the planet and sent a tidal wave out to kill Plaid and Shock. Because they weren't seen again after that, I believe they both drowned. However, I can't just assume that, so I counted them both as unknown.

You're thinking of "Shiniku" that sword fought with Yenna. I'm talking about "Shaktu" the immortal hero that went off on his own.

The way I see it, the whole reason Jill was loyal to Annie in the first place was because she was under the influence of Raggedy's mask. Being away from Annie for so long finally broke Jill of that influence and when Annie finally came back, Jill killed her so she wouldn't have to work for her anymore. That's MY theory anyway.
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Speedslide Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011
He lives for chaos. There was no way he couldn't accomplish that. XD

Ah yes, the tidal wave, that was the last we saw of Plaid overall, I just thought of :iconmacabremoe: 's last pages, not Kost's intro to chapter 7. My mistake!

Aww yeah, damn, I always got those two mixed up, both never did much in the story, right? XD
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Bug-Off Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Raggedy and Jill fought Shockboy, Annie got captured, took Vigil hostage, then thrown through a portal into a desert, forcing the heroes to go look for her, Jill helped capture Vigil, Annie teamed up with the Canadian and Co. to fight off the cactus army, and Jill lost her swords to Virtus, forcing her to forge a new weapon using a symbiote.

I'd say they played pretty important rolls in the Secret Wars.
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Speedslide Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011
Continuity! Boom! :lmao: [link]

I was talking about Shaktu and Shiniku. XD
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